New Triumph Trophy

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[Icedog]

Yowsa! $18k. That's definitely BMW territory

Not in Oz !!! (even allowing for the US discount)...

What's the price on the eqivilant BMW in Oz? I think that's the target market, as triumph seems to be positioning the trophy as a flagship product. I'm also  evry interested in seeing if they go after the liter sportbike class with there next model - vwery aggressive moves from ENgland these days!

Depends on what you consider the equivalent to be, the Trophy is certainly going to be Triumph's flagship - BMW's flagship K1600GT/GTL go for somewhere around $38-42K, R1200RT are about $32K.

The Kawa was about $27K (list plus on road) but there has been a recent drop (end of year run-out ) and they are going for $23K (list inc on road) making them interesting.
The new Trophy on paper looks like it should sit closer to the Kawa than to the K1600 - the electric suspension is the only significant extra over the Kawa that I can see and the Triumph grunt is significantly less.

(in Oz the Kawa also wins slightly due to the bigger engine when it comes to third party insurance - the 1200 still falls in the premium litre sport bike range and so will cost a little more - comprehensive insurance premiums will be interesting since the vampires wont have a lot of stats to go on with the Trophy and so will make up the initial premiums and of course if the Trophy cost significantly more than the Kawa the premiums will again be higher).

The K1600GT's have more features again over either of these with heated seats, tracking headlights, active/predictive suspension, blah, blah, blah, and a significantly more interesting engine with a similar HP to the Kawa but a better shaped power curve so I really don't consider the Kawa or the Triumph to be quite the same league. Not to say I'd fork out that much cash for the BMW either - I think its far too expensive even if it may be value for money - kinda like a Ferrari.

If the Trophy comes in at a price point a little over the Kawa but still substantially less than the K1600's as they appear t be doing in the US (say no more than the R1200RT mark) they might compete (although I'd still want it to be closer to the original Kawa mark - $27K - to consider it), if they price it in K1600 territory forget it.

[GunnyJoe]

The Triumph will have more torque and more HP than the Kawsaki, and the Trophy comes with the heated grips and seat as part of the package. WIll be interesting to see what the final prices etc are though, as we all know thigs often change from announcement to product.

[backwater]

The Triumph will have more torque and more HP than the Kawsaki, and the Trophy comes with the heated grips and seat as part of the package. WIll be interesting to see what the final prices etc are though, as we all know thigs often change from announcement to product.

Not to be agrumentitive but here's the numbers from motorcycle.com
Powered by the same 1215cc three-cylinder introduced in the adventure-touring Explorer model, Triumph claims the liquid-cooled, 12-valve, DOHC inline triple produces 132 crank horsepower at 8,900 rpm and 89 ft-lb of torque at 6,450 rpm. Not exactly K1600 territory, but more than the RT’s claimed 110 hp and an exact match for torque (89 ft-lb at 6,000 rpm claimed for the RT).

This is from the 2009 K14 sale brochure of a bike I nearly bought :
Horse Power @ RPM:156 bhp @10,500 rpm
Top Speed:155 mph
Torque @ RPM:102.0 Lb/Ft @ 6,200 rpm

Unless Kawasaki has really de-turned the Connie, Triumph still has a little ways to go to top her.

I have ridden a K14 and my best riding buddy rides a 08 Speed triple. If the Trophy can come in at a seat height of 30", I will seriously consider one.  Right now, the BMW R100RT has the edge purely on its 29.5" seat height.

[GunnyJoe]

I may be wrong on the hp numbers for the 1400 Kawi, thought it was 125 hp not 152. Dyslexic moment perhaps.

[backwater]

Joe,  the way these sites come up with all these different numbers; who knows what's what. In any case, I'm eagerly awaiting a demo ride on a Trophy SE....

[lance]

A beautiful bike!  Triumph is making a lot of great moves!

[Icedog]

The Triumph will have more torque and more HP than the Kawsaki, and the Trophy comes with the heated grips and seat as part of the package. WIll be interesting to see what the final prices etc are though, as we all know thigs often change from announcement to product.

Not to be agrumentitive but here's the numbers from motorcycle.com
Powered by the same 1215cc three-cylinder introduced in the adventure-touring Explorer model, Triumph claims the liquid-cooled, 12-valve, DOHC inline triple produces 132 crank horsepower at 8,900 rpm and 89 ft-lb of torque at 6,450 rpm. Not exactly K1600 territory, but more than the RT’s claimed 110 hp and an exact match for torque (89 ft-lb at 6,000 rpm claimed for the RT).

This is from the 2009 K14 sale brochure of a bike I nearly bought :
Horse Power @ RPM:156 bhp @10,500 rpm
Top Speed:155 mph
Torque @ RPM:102.0 Lb/Ft @ 6,200 rpm

Unless Kawasaki has really de-turned the Connie, Triumph still has a little ways to go to top her.

I have ridden a K14 and my best riding buddy rides a 08 Speed triple. If the Trophy can come in at a seat height of 30", I will seriously consider one.  Right now, the BMW R100RT has the edge purely on its 29.5" seat height.

yep, afraid so, both the Connie and the K1600 develop close to 160HP (at the crank, with RAM-air in the Kawa's case) - they reportedly both dyno out at about 138-139 RWHP with the BMW having the slight edge (and a much better edge in the mid-range ).

Having said that I sure a heck don't need that much power. The Trophy's power will be adequate (indeed the R1200RT's power would be adequate).

However this still leaves the question of: "If Thriumph are aiming at a BMW which one?" - as backwater has pointed out performance-wise it sits close to the R1200RT, bells and whistles-wise its closer to the K1600. It is for this reason I threw in the Connie - the Trophy' bells and whistles spec is similar to the Kawa except with added clever suspension but again lesser performance.

The Connie has been duking it out with Yamaha's FJR for a few years and its only the last couple of year where Kawasaki has really pulled ahead (the Yammy hasn't really been updated significantly) and lately run into the big K-bikes, the K1300 was somewhat more comparable than the K1600 that replaced it. In terms of value for money the Connie is arguably better than the BMW even though the BMW is unquestionably a significantly better machine.

The Trophy has to fit sensibly into this framework to be successful and I believe that somewhere needs to be close to Connie territory rather than the BMW stratosphere.

[Icedog]

Well, prices have been released and it the R1200RT that they have firmly in their sights.

US pricing seems to be $18990 for the SE full bells and whistles model.
Oz pricing is the usual mighty-markup and is reported to be $28990 for the SE, still about 4-5K less than the equivalent BMW R1200RT. Of course they are only taking orders at present with the bikes not due for delivery till early next year.

Fuel range on a full 26 litre tank is claimed to be about 300 miles as long as you are not really hammering and the pundits all seem to be impressed with the handling.
One nice point - service interval is 10000 miles (16000 km) with major service every 20000 miles.

[GunnyJoe]

From the reviews so far the new Trophy looks like it may be a worthy competitor for the teh 1200 Beemer. Going to try to get the motorcycle show this weekend and see it for myself.