Can a CF Moto V5 keep up with most 250cc motorcycles?

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MotoGuzzi Posted by PainhammeR on 06 Jul 2008 in Viewed 698 times 1016w X 762h 166441 bytes

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[Nate]

The bikes we roe were Suzuki GZ250s and I just couldn't get my leg comfortable because it felt cramped.  I was truly having issues with shifting and ultimately did not pas the class.  The instructors did nothing to try to help.  It was that experience that makes me seriously think about automatics or that Pingel auto shifter device.

Unfortunately you didn't have decent instructors. I truely believe, and have proven it in cars and on bikes with a couple of folks, that anyone can drive/ride a manual transmission. For some folks it will take a bit more one on one attention. There's nothing wrong with that.

As far as the Pigle shifters go, you really aren't getting that much help. You still have to learn to modulate the clutch which is the most difficult aspect of riding a manually shifted bike.

[WillRideSomeDay]

Nate,

Not really...they make one where you just flick your thumb and it shifts up and down.  It was designed for paraplegics and trikes, but requires no clutch at all.

[Nate]

I'm quite familiar with the product. The electic shifter was designed for drag racing applications on big bikes. The 1-2 shift is pretty much impossible to get your feet in place for when launching a 400+ HP bike. The use for handicapped individuals was a byproduct benefit. The clutch is still required for starting and stopping.

http://www.pingelonline.com/eshifter.htm

These kits are designed for full or partial throttle “on” clutchless up shifting with a single push of the button. Down shifting is also achieved by a push of the downshift button. Clutch use is required for starting and stopping only. Suited for Sport Bikes, Drag Bikes, Customs, Cruisers, and Touring Bikes, these kits are also the perfect match for male and female riders who own bikes that require a lot of hand strength to pull in the clutch lever, typically found on H-D models.  OEM shifting ability is retained even after installation.

[WillRideSomeDay]

I need to find the YouTube video...have one where the guy has his left arm in a sling and the push button thing is on the right handlebar and he's shifting it....no clutch....

[Nate]

I need to find the YouTube video...have one where the guy has his left arm in a sling and the push button thing is on the right handlebar and he's shifting it....no clutch....

That's absolutely possible, but it requires some kind of a clutch modifcation in addition to the pingle shifter. If you install a pingle, turn the bike on in neutral and push the button into 1st w/o the clutch being pulled in the bike will lurch forward and stall. Revloc (I believe don't quote me on this) was making a product that would allow this for a handfull of street applications. I believe it was called a "dynaring".

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I hope it wasn't just revloc doing them. Just checked their website and they have gone out of business....

http://www.revloc.com/

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Take a look at this page on Pingels website

http://www.pingelonline.com/shifter_demos.htm

watch some of the videos and you'll see they are using the clutch to get rolling.

[jonathan180iq]

I would agree as long as one has a competent teacher and correctly fitted bike.  When I took MSF several years ago, through the community college, both of the instructors said their background were working at a local dealership.  When discussing first bikes, both agreed that time shouldn't be wasted on smaller that a Sportster on one even said he wouldn't waste time with the 883. 

The bikes we roe were Suzuki GZ250s and I just couldn't get my leg comfortable because it felt cramped.  I was truly having issues with shifting and ultimately did not pas the class.  The instructors did nothing to try to help.  It was that experience that makes me seriously think about automatics or that Pingel auto shifter device.

Sorry to hear you had some crappy instructors.
All you need is a good friend who has spend some time on a motorcycle and has some patience on a free Saturday afternoon and you can knock it out.
Another problem with some abused MSF bikes is that their equipment can be out of adjustment, making the learning process that much more difficult.

I used to own a GZ and I found that bike very easy to shift, even being 6' even. It was never really cramped at all. If a smaller rider had used that bike prior to you, they may have adjusted the shift linkage to fit them. That shifter adjustment is common on most bikes and I know for a fact exists on the GZ.

[WillRideSomeDay]

The problems having the buddy to let me use their bike.  I layed the bike down in the class because I got really frustrated and just messed up once and down we went.  Well, I told my buddies and now none are willing to work with me for fear I lay their bike down.

[rckprkns]

Yeah WillRide, that's like going to meet the surgeon who will be doing your upcoming intricate surgery, and the doc walks in wearing Coke bottle spectacles, and bumps into the door frame to boot.  Not a good sign.

[jonathan180iq]

I don't think that's really fair to the new rider.

Everyone has to figure out how to do this for the first time. And depending on someone's background experience with riding other types of vehicles or with general coordination, they may find the motorcycle controls to feel unnatural and foreign. And given that this guy hasn't had a decent instructor and no one will let them ride their bike, what's he supposed to do but feel a little overwhelmed and frustrated with the whole thing.

It is really like riding a bike though, man. You just have to do it and figure it out. It took me 45 minutes to learn to drive a straight shift automobile many moons ago. It took me 3 shifts to figure out motorcycles, and only 1 crash and 2 dumps It happens. Find a nice, low-powered bike that you want to spend some time on as a learner (One of those bikes that won't leave you feeling devastated when you drop it) and just spend some time figuring this thing out. I would chaulk the MSF experience up to just having a bad day.

[Nate]

Where are you located at Wildride?

If you're anywhere near the MS gulf coast, you are welcome to come by sometime and we'll get you on the right path.