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« Reply #20 on: March 05, 2010, 01:59:09 AM »

Just a loosely related question, does anyone know:

Can you bump-start an EFI bike ? If the battery is dead flat you wont have fuel pump pressure or a computer to control the injection so I'm guessing the answer is a resounding No!
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« Reply #21 on: March 05, 2010, 02:32:33 AM »

Good question. I am not sure, but I imagine it's like you say. No power=no fuel pump.
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« Reply #22 on: March 09, 2010, 05:36:13 PM »




Uh oh, never thought about the no bumpstart thing.  I guess i should try that? or maybe not.
the honda isn't a very light "push"

Maybe there could be risidual pressure (a litte bit) but with no spark it would do no good.
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« Reply #23 on: March 10, 2010, 06:23:15 AM »

well, yes, I guess I'm hoping there is a few ergs left to help the spark. The rest of it takes a fair slug of juice tho so I guess anything left in the battery would be gone trying to pressurise the fuel system before you ever get to try for a spark.
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« Reply #24 on: March 10, 2010, 07:43:37 AM »

If it's too heavy to push, maybe you could pull it instead....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wi6N5Iyqfwk&feature=youtube_gdata
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« Reply #25 on: March 10, 2010, 08:40:47 PM »

Well... if you found a steep enough hill and got rolling down it?  Maybe?  Good question though.
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« Reply #26 on: June 15, 2010, 04:43:26 AM »

Technophobes Wink

My Citroen has a drive-by-wire throttle, but a direct-link braking system, which seems like a safe combo in my mind. The new Nissan 370Z has a really, really clever system, when the clutch is disengaged, the engine will drop throttle to match engine RPM with the transmission, allowing silk-smooth gearshifts and some truly phenomenal 0-100 times.

There are some other nice advantages to drive-by-wire, primarily in the ESP system. When I lose traction, the computer steps in and regulates the throttle, preventing wheelspin. This has proven extremely effective in snowy conditions, and it's relatively failure-safe. If it fails altogether, your car behaves as any other would when traction disappears. If it malfunctions, it's just clipping your throttle power. At any time if the car is misbehaving, I still have direct control of the steering, and I can stomp on the brakes and the car will stop. Similar systems on bikes is fine IMO.

I share the concern that electronic brakes aren't such a good idea, from a 'just in case' standpoint. I had to laugh at the Toyota faulty accelerators. Think about it for a second. Corollas are lunchboxes with a pissant economical engine, if anyone is caught off guard by 'sudden accelleration' and is actually put at risk by it, they'd have to be driving two gears lower than they should be, with about 6" room in front of them.

Regarding bump-starting EFI vehicles, it's fine, I have done it numerous times. The fuel injectors are always primed for the first squirt, and newer cars have a more efficient alternator allowing the injectors and spark plugs to fire. Just do a proper job of push starting it and you'll be fine.
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« Reply #27 on: June 15, 2010, 08:23:33 AM »

it was nice in my 350, but i don't like what they did with my wife's mazda3, almost on principle.

it's drive by wire (throttle anyway) and they've programmed it to feel peppier than it is. that is, even if you only give it 1/4 throttle input, it might be using 1/2-3/4. while that's fine at normal cruising pace, as was said before, it's disconcerting to need more and find out there isn't anymore.

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